Friday, March 14, 2008

It's Out of Here

Damn.

Steve Karp absolutely hit one out of the park last night.

I'm not talking "deep shot to left field lands in the net" sort of out of the park. No way. His performance last night was a "make him pee in a cup to check him for steroids" kind of homer. Check his bat for cork too. It was out of here. Never a question.

The evening started off well. Karp stood close to the front doors, waiting for people as they entered the building. Some filtered by while others waited in line to say hello, shake his hand, provide a thought or two.

Karp may have made the drive to Newburyport from Newton, but he played the congenial host last night. Hell, they were even providing coffee, cookies and bottled water. (I think it was on New England Development's dime.) He came ostensibly to listen to the concerns of the people in this city, but it became clear during the evening that Karp has been listening all along.

Before you suggest that my goodwill can be bought for a cookie, I didn't take a snack (although I did have a coffee and still am sipping my bottle of Fiji water as I write this.) I enjoyed the presentation of NED's early vision on Newburyport, which I'll get into later. But in my eyes what really won the evening for me was the final segment of Karp's talk.

Rather than open immediately to questions, Karp presented a list of questions he's heard on "the street." I can't say for sure that he's collecting all these complaints, but someone on his staff is taking notes about our fears and concerns. Time will tell whether or not they'll address them, but at least they're hearing you.

So here is Karp's Q&A with himself. I did my best to quote directly and paraphrased when I knew I couldn't.

Why is this taking so long?
"One thing we've learned after doing this for 35 years is that you don't present a plan that doesn't work," he said. He understands that people are anxious to see what New England development is going to do. "I assure you. There is no secret plan. We needed to understand the character of the community.

Are we trying to create another Nantucket? (Believe it or not this was the first time he uttered the word Nantucket in his 25 minute presentation.)
"This isn't Nantucket and I think we appreciate that. I think because of the fact we developed a lot of Nantucket we get complaints about things we built in 1785 (drew some laughs), and they may not like the fact that we may have painted some door red. But the HDC (Historic District Commission) told us we could paint it red or red. Those things happen. This is a different place, a different market. Nantucket is a seasonal resort and during the 1990s things got a little bit out of control. Values went a little crazy. We built a golf course that attracts peopel from all over the U.S. It has an airport which is the second busiest airport in New England during the summer. Lots of private jets. There are lots of private jets that come in and it's become a very affluent community. We didn't create that. We're in the middle of that."
"We're not trying to make this another Nantucket, nor would we be foolish enough to force another Nantucket on you. We may take some of the best of Nantucket. Then it's your decision to tell us whether you like them or not. And we'll try to work on that together."

What about Parking?
"You have to address that, not us. We can work with you. It's something that we've talked about for a long time ...I think we’ll all benefit" from a parking plan. As for a parking garage, he acknowledge there are questions about locatoin and who would pay for a structure. Perhaps New England Development and the city could share costs. "We're open to all those things. We’ve done them before. We’d like to do them here and we're hopeful we can work in a way that is beneficial to all of us and that would be beneficial to the entire downtown.

Will New Retail Be Dominated By National Chains?
"The character of downtown is not something that works for national chains. I'm not saying they can't be here...but we're not trying to flood the downtown with them. We would lose the value of the downtown and we'd lose the value of our own properties. We can't compete with regional shopping centers in Newburyport. But we think economic growth helps the merchants that are here, and the more people we can bring" the better for all downtown businesses.
"Look at the sales of the stores and restaurants in the summer months. And look at them in January. They're not great. They have to average out. It's a very hard business to run." You have to add and remove staff depending upon the season. "If we could even that out and encourage people to come to the downtown it would benefit the rest of the merchants."

Will the Marina cater to only Luxury Yachts?
"This is like the Nantucket question ... without [local boats] you're going to lose the character that has been created here over such a long time. It'd be a shame to turn our back on that."

Will the city be involved in the development process?
"I can’t tell you this any more sincerely. This is you're process not ours. The city and its officials have an opportunity to be involved." That includes planning board, conservation commission, Mass Highway and other permitting boards.

What about Traffic?
"You have to help yourself to solve the problem. We can't do it by ourselves. People in other communities if they can't get into this downtown and they can't park in the downtown they won't come. Nantucket choked itself a bit in the summer with not enough parking and not enough access."

How about public access to the Waterfront?
"There will be public access and public benefit." He said details would be worked out with the state, but there could be "walk way construction across the waterfront when that's in our control." He said view corridors would be part of the final plan, providing views of the river from Merrimack Street.

What about Pedestrian Access?
"We value Newburyport. We’re probably developing 20 different areas from Washington DC to Bangor Maine and we've developed in downtowns. We developed a block in Sante Fe with lots of similarities" with concern about historical preservation.
"But we value Newburyport. We’ve made a decision to put our effort, our money our time here because we think is a very special place and we think we can add to the vitality and still keep the historic character.

"We can’t do it by ourselves. We have to do it together. I like that there are so many people here. I hope you contine to come. I hope you contine to participate, I think if you do participate you will be very happy with what’s done for a long time to come."

I'm not sure if my scribblings do the segment justice, but I think they suggest that Karp isn't some far-off nobleman who will storm into town one day with armies of lawyers and builders to implement his plan.

The guy gives every appearance of wanting to be part of what Newburyport is, and what it could become. He concedes he can't please everyone, but last night he asked folks to speak loud and clear about what we want to see happen down along the water.

People in this town certainly have no problem speaking their mind. But now we can do so with an idea that Karp is actually listening.

Perhaps this will work out afterall.



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19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this recap. We couldn't make it (Rob had a prior meeting to go to, which of course was way off our radar screen).

I'm feeling really good 'bout things right now. Hope they move in the direction it sounds like they are.

Anonymous said...

Tom: I think that your notes from the event are very accurate.
James Shanley

Anonymous said...

What about Traffic?
"You have to help yourself to solve the problem. We can't do it by ourselves. People in other communities if they can't get into this downtown and they can't park in the downtown they won't come. Nantucket choked itself a bit in the summer with not enough parking and not enough access."

So Karp wants the taxpayer to fund a garage and traffic improvements necessitated by his development - I thought developers paid linkage fees (as is happening in Seabrook) for these sorts of things.

How short-sighted of those Nantucket folks not to demolish their historic buildings to provide parking and highway access to their historic village.

Tom Salemi said...

Scissors,
It's my understanding NED is required to manage any parking demand created by the project.

The city also should insist on contributions to any infrastructure improvements. I'm sure we'd prevail, and I doubt NED would put up a fight. That's all pretty standard.

The general message I got from Karp is we shouldn't look to him to solve any problems we might currently have. And I think that's right on. But certainly he's on the hook for any problems his projects create.

And don't forget that the city would benefit from development of those lots, at least tax wise. I believe mixed use development is the most efficient use of land.

Having only been to Nantucket once I can't speak to your point. I'm guessing improvements could have been made without ripping down historic structures but I don't know.

Anonymous said...

"All required parking within the WWOD-SP Area shall be provided by the applicant without the use of municipal parking lots or structures or Newburyport Redevelopment Authority parking lots or structures"

Presumably, if NED is going to contribute funding to construct a garage, they will want some or all of it to be excluded from the above restriction.

"The WWOD-SP may allow "shared" reduced parking requirements for uses having different peak times of parking demand requirements, as determined based on the report of a traffic engineer engaged by the applicant and approved by the planning board."

And there's your "wiggle-room"....His engineers will argue that retail/residential can share spaces - which might be true during the week but certainly not on weekends....

I'm in favor of the project (especially the mixed use), my concern is that NED will use the Open Waterfront/NRA parking issue to negotiate a sweetheart deal on parking at taxpayer expense.

As for Nantucket, I have friends who used to live on the island, and while I'm not aware of any specific proposals that were rejected, my guess would be that local residents didn't want to pay for something that's only needed 12 weeks a year. Their public lot is right on the waterfront.

Anonymous said...

Really? I found it a tad disturbing. Plus, I'm hesitant to agree about the success of a hotel. While I'm sure Karp et al have done their homework, what is the draw for people to stay here as opposed to doing a day trip from Boston or Portsmouth, as they do now, and as I did before I moved here? I love Newburyport but there is nothing to do at night. Maybe go to the casino [in Salisbury]...? Just a thought.

Tom Salemi said...

To be fair, as I'm sure you know, Karp inherited the hotel idea. That's been talked about, debated, approved and rejected over and over again.

I'm split on the hotel. On one hand I agree with you. If they can't find a hotel company willing to manage the property perhaps the need isn't there.

However, as a frequent attendee of business conferences I think a hotel could make Newburyport a destination for small industry meetings.

Think about it. You could spread parts of a conference all over Newburyport with meetings being held at the hotel, the Phoenix Room, the Garrison Inn, and any place with a meeting room.

It's be a great destination for business folks to come and drop their dough.

Anonymous said...

Let's not forget weddings as well -I was forced to move mine out of town due to lack of space and lodging.

The hotel tax is one of the few local revenue options available to a municipality.

Anonymous said...

I used to live in a city, albeit eons ago, of 250,000 people. A city also on a river although not near an ocean. One day a developer came along and said, "you need a hotel/conference center here," or words to that effect. So he/she built something similar to what Karp hinted at last night, except the hotel was a tower. Need I say the whole thing was a bust and the hotel and mixed retail ended up the city's problem? Maybe that's not a fair comparison, but Newburyport is just not that big. How many weddings are there? How many conferences are held in cities where you have to drive for 15 minutes to get to it from the highway and where there is no night life? But, as I said, I'm sure they have done their homework.

Plus, think about it - the plan Karp presented included what, 4 restaurants at the site? And shops. Plus there's some plans in the works to change Michael's yet again. My bet would be it includes at least one big meeting room. What conference attendee would need to ever leave that 8 acres and utilize the Phoenix Room, etc.?

Sure enough, though, it all helps the city economically. Can't argue with that.

I think we need a small inn out by 95 or by the industrial park, or a combination thereof.

Tom Salemi said...

Eons ago? By a river?

Did you live in Babylonia?

Did the hotel become the Tower of Babel!?

Tom Salemi said...

I must say. This concern over the viability of the hotel seems misplaced.

Seems like he won't build one if he think it's a really dumb idea that will lose money.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Babylonia. Hence the babble. Real estate investment companies develop stuff and then sell it and move on to the next project. That's how they make the real bucks (rent is peanuts to these guys). I used to work for one or two - more recently and not in the Cradle of Civilization but in the Hub of the Universe. They sell it to the highest bidder, who may or not care about the community, as Karp claimed he does - and thus the concern on my part. Thanks, now I've got Larry McCavitt Syndrome.

Anonymous said...

I bet they would host a wedding nearly every weekend from may-sept.

My employer has held small offsite conferences in places like Chatham - hardly a hot spot for night life.

Are such events enough to support a hotel year round ? I guess that's for the pros to decide.

Anonymous said...

I missed the meeting due to travel, but it sounded like a good 1st step. I especially liked his references to 'mixed use'- retail,residential, office, hotel,etc. One could imagine a Newport RI style stores cluster specializing in boating, fishing gear, maritime antiquities ,outdoor sports, GPS and other marine electronics, nature stuff etc. Almost all of those kinds of stores would be net additions to the City's retail mix and are not generally 'corporate'and would give the new district its own identity while echoing the area's historical roots.RM

Anonymous said...

how does having a wedding every weekend benefit the city (and by extension citizens)?

Anonymous said...

Here's a question I would have asked:

"Mr Karp, as you know the City of Newburyport and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts are both essentially broke, or at the very least strapped for funds.

"What happens if Newburyport is unable to secure *any* funding for a parking garage? Will this effect your plans in some fundamental manner?"

Anonymous said...

How would weddings benefit the city ?

I was responding the viability of a hotel, however, since the city can charge a hotel tax, it would generate revenue for the city.

The city could also charge a fee to use our waterfront park for the ceremony as a means of paying for its maintenance.

Anonymous said...

Tom: I believe that the waterfront park is under the jurisdiction of The Waterfront Trust, and that they do in fact charge for its private use.

James Shanley

Anonymous said...

By "waterfront park", I was also including the proposed converion of the NRA lots. And while I agree with councilor Shanley's earlier posts that this is not the best use of the land - should it become a park, we should look for ways of generating revenue for its upkeep without burdening the taxpayer.

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